tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post4605714266119869842..comments2023-08-23T10:07:13.932-05:00Comments on Thomas Robb: Even Cave Men Should Defend Their Heritage!Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11215699820993025882noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-32909691417722971982010-02-18T20:53:56.444-06:002010-02-18T20:53:56.444-06:00Hey! Norwegian. I haven't gotten my answer yet...Hey! Norwegian. I haven't gotten my answer yet. What is the standard you use to determine right from wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-28309160391618951742010-02-18T20:19:00.128-06:002010-02-18T20:19:00.128-06:00Here we go with the "unnatural" stuff ag...Here we go with the "unnatural" stuff again.<br /><br />There is no standard for what is natural. <br /><br />Thank you for your concern, but I don't need you to worry about me--I'm an adult. If I felt this was at all detracting from my quality of life, I wouldn't do it. I have family and friends and a career. This is nothing more than a hobby--it entertains me. Writing and sharing my views is what I do. I don't LIVE on my computer. Compared to the rest of my daily routine, I spend very little time here--perhaps more than others, but certainly not to the point of obsession. I think you assume that this takes up a lot more of my time than it really does.<br /><br />Plus, whether you want to discredit me or not, it doesn't negate the validity of my views. <br /><br />There, that took me what? A minute?Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-17061539995574957082010-02-18T19:11:04.452-06:002010-02-18T19:11:04.452-06:00I agree. He is obsessed with this. Other people co...I agree. He is obsessed with this. Other people come on, state their position and then go on. I have made a couple of comments, but I have other things to do. I have a job, wife and kids. I have ball games to attend, “dates” with my wife, hobbies and social functions. Life is busy. I don’t have time to live out a fantasy on the internet. Believe me - if I have a choice of "living" on the internet or kissing my little girls "boo - boo," the boo boo wins out every time.<br />Norwegian - it’s unnatural and unhealthy - you need to get out more.Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-49303748598972552482010-02-18T18:54:45.491-06:002010-02-18T18:54:45.491-06:00Gosh! Norwegian. . . Don't you have anything e...Gosh! Norwegian. . . Don't you have anything else to do with your life? It's unbelievable!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-51818135924465503602010-02-18T12:43:19.241-06:002010-02-18T12:43:19.241-06:00"It's is summarily disappointing that so ..."It's is summarily disappointing that so many people fail to comprehend the equality of all people."<br /><br />I agree.<br /><br />"If all of you claim to be true Christians, you ought to recognize that Jesus taught against discrimination and racism."<br /><br />This was argument as well. They don't seem to agree with us, though.<br /><br />"You all should also realize that this nation was founded by a number of Deists, perhaps most significantly Benjamin Franklin. Deists are necessarily Christian."<br /><br />Many of the founding fathers were abolitionists, as well--freeing their own slaves following the revolution. They recognized the need for equality in our fledgling nation, and sought it--long before it was a popular belief.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-11179413703233785202010-02-18T12:37:44.026-06:002010-02-18T12:37:44.026-06:00“hey for commentator #2 Judaism is not a race it&#...“hey for commentator #2 Judaism is not a race it's a religion!”<br /><br />Yes, Judaism is technically a religion, but there does exist a bloodline of people that generally practice Judaism that can be traced back thousands of years. They have a history of being rather exclusive in that they generally intermarry within the bloodline, and do display some common genetic traits, so I can understand the “Jewish race” label, although it is probably politically incorrect. I don’t really associate myself as a member of a “Christian race” although I could probably be classified as such by the same standards.<br />In any case, when Hitler targeted the Jews for extermination (as the original question concerned with), the aim was to eliminate their “inferior” genes (eugenics)—not eliminate the religion itself. And yes, it’s been pretty well documented that that happened.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-42680372111797937082010-02-18T12:37:26.799-06:002010-02-18T12:37:26.799-06:00“He’s boorishly narcissistic and is entertained by...“He’s boorishly narcissistic and is entertained by his own delusions of intellect.”<br /><br />“Boorishly narcissistic”? This is coming from someone going by the pretentious title “The Observer” who has no personal views to share on the matter, and instead resolves to analyze and criticize the efforts of others. From my perspective it is YOU with an inflated self-image. Am I really the one with the distorted ego? I’m sorry, but until you can defend your own views, your judgments of mine are moot.<br />Everyone is delusional from one point of view or another—I could say the same of almost anyone I’ve communicated with here. Everything we experience is the product of a psychedelic experience—all differing based on the frequency to which we are tuned. If our brains are set to filter stimuli differently, then our perceptions are bound to differ—sometimes drastically. You are just as delusional to me as I am to you.<br /><br />“I suspect he is a nice guy and earnestly wants to do good.”<br /><br />Thank you. This is how I see myself as well.<br /><br />“He is just unable because there is no defining line between the ugly and the beautiful.”<br /><br />So I’m incapable of doing good? How can you honestly defend this assessment? You don’t know anything about me or my life—other than what I have provided here—and you haven’t even managed to absorb that—how can you make these assertions?<br /><br />“Norwegian reminds me of a typical victim of doubletalk from George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four.”<br /><br />Really? What kind of double-talk am I being mislead by? Is it similar to the double-talk employed by the Knights, like the discrepancies between their white-nationalist ideals and the words of the bible they claim to base their lives around?<br /><br />Did you know that Orwell was a Democratic-socialist? Did you know that Orwell wrote that book in an attempt to highlight the idea that whites/Europeans are wrong in assuming their superiority? I find this ironic. I see Mr. Robb has used “Nineteen Eighty-Four” in his sermon—his arguments were lacking, though.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-87457627209119055492010-02-18T12:36:31.247-06:002010-02-18T12:36:31.247-06:00Regarding Observer:
I have plenty of values and p...Regarding Observer:<br /><br />I have plenty of values and plenty to value—things I live and fight for. I try to find something I can relate to in everything—I look for my relation to all things, so that I may love all things. Just because my values don’t align with yours doesn’t mean they aren’t real. <br /><br />“My observation of Norwegian is he is a total victim of New Age nothingness.”<br /><br />Nothingness? Really? Again, you are assuming there is no value to my views simply because they don’t align with yours—another example of the “subjective opinions” that Nordic would deny.<br /><br />“The song by John Lennon identifies him exactly.”<br /><br />Yes it does.<br /><br />“In Norwegian’s mind there is nothing of value, nothing worth preserving from destruction.”<br /><br />In Observer’s mind there is NOTHING AT ALL. <br /><br />Oh wait, that wasn’t very nice was it? Your assumption that you know what’s going on in my head is amusing, but your claims aren’t very fair—it would be like me saying that white nationalists value nothing. That certainly isn’t true, is it? <br />I have plenty that I value, and plenty worth preserving from destruction. <br /><br />“He loves nothing - though I would suggest he would deny my accusation.”<br /><br />I love a lot, so yes, I will adamantly deny your accusations. You’re in no position to make baseless claims like that.<br /><br />“And because there is nothing of value - nothing worthy of love, there is, therefore, nothing he would die for - his life - his self-indulgence - is the only thing of value.”<br /><br />This is coming from a supporter of the KKK—an organization that seems to believe only in the indulgence of whites. Based on the ideals expressed by various representatives here, their own lives and cultures are the only things they value. In this way, how are we different? Plus, I’m arguing for the equal treatment of races I am not a part of—how is this self-centered? I have nothing to personally gain—I just think it’s right.<br /><br />“You can see this all through his writing.”<br /><br />Interesting—how WOULD you have me communicate my ideas, then?Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-779333990699070512010-02-18T12:36:01.348-06:002010-02-18T12:36:01.348-06:00“I really am looking forward to the Last Judgment ...“I really am looking forward to the Last Judgment mentioned in the Bible.”<br /><br />I look forward to—but to not immediately invite—my energy to return to the macroverse.<br /><br />“Not because I am righteous -- I'm just a sinner saved by grace -- but because I am hoping that Our Lord and Savior will set the record straight on the subject of race and how the multicultural society is Rebellion against His commandments.”<br /><br />Yes, it would be interesting to get a straight-forward, undeniable response from your god on this matter. I’m not going to hold my breath, though.<br /><br />“I only want God to vindicate my position on the race subject and remove the veil of deception from all those who have hated me without cause and argued with me on this matter.”<br /><br />Isn’t that in itself a roundabout claim to righteousness, though? I mean, if God is siding with you, then you must be righteous.<br />For the record, I have argued with you, but I certainly don’t hate you over it.<br /><br />Thank you Nordic, I appreciate these exchanges, and you have my best wishes as well.<br /><br />--DaneNorwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-85716155658861639562010-02-18T12:35:42.104-06:002010-02-18T12:35:42.104-06:00“My race is dying -- and liberals and ‘progressive...“My race is dying -- and liberals and ‘progressives’ tell me I should be celebrating this fact. They are insane.”<br /><br />It is not your race that is dying; it is your way of thinking. Your genes would still live on through your offspring even if they were conceived interracially. Your race is simply making a gradual change. Genes favor survival at all costs—it is your ideals that are unchanging, and thus primed for extinction.<br />If you were one of only two people left on Earth, and the other was black, would you rather allow all of humanity to die out with you than to mix the races? For survival at all in that case, you’d have to be willing to adapt to that reality—as grim as it might be—and accept miscegenation over “separate but equal.” If you were to cling just as stubbornly to your petty racial identity as you do now, mankind would die out with you, and you’d have no one to blame but yourself. Multiculturalism and miscegenation would not be unnatural or blame-worthy in this scenario, but your white-separatism certainly would. Ideals are subjective—relative. Will you still deny that as a fault of the liberal way of thinking?Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-32718268683360488662010-02-18T12:35:16.405-06:002010-02-18T12:35:16.405-06:00“I loved my cat friend.
Did I also love the cancer...“I loved my cat friend.<br />Did I also love the cancer that took her (otherwise she was perfectly healthy) from me?”<br /><br />I should hope not.<br /><br />“No! I hated the cancer! I hated to lose that cat! I hate disease.”<br /><br />It still happened though, and that’s nature. Life adapts and evolves and lives on through mutation. That is what our culture and bloodlines are doing now, through cohabitation and miscegenation—mutating. It is not only natural, but might even be necessary for our continued survival as humans at some point—it’s impossible to say. Regardless of whether it turns out to be for good or not, it’s still going to happen, and it’s not your place to stop it. You can only control your own life—if miscegenation doesn’t make sense to you in your case, then don’t take part in it. But you can’t tell others what is right for them.<br />Cancer is an out-of-control mutation. Whether you chose to accept it as a fact of life, or fight it like a disease is up to you, but in the end, what will be will be.<br /><br />“Well, if I likewise love my race and culture, how can I possibly love the multicultural society that is taking it away from me?”<br /><br />Whether you like it or not, America today is a multicultural society—and as I see it—always has been. Where it once was multiple white cultures, it is now multi-racial as well. Maybe you can’t ever love that—it’s your own outlook. But where would the justification be in barring others from enjoying the multiculturalism they love? You’d be doing the same to them as you’re accusing them of doing to you—except that while their actions are not in a deliberate attempt to harm you or your way of life, the actions you would have to take to stop them would be. With that in mind, who is really in the wrong? <br /><br />“Multiculturalism is an unnatural condition and thus is a social disease.”<br /><br />How is it unnatural? Throughout history, cultures have spread and encountered others. That’s what happens when a population expands and neighboring populations begin competing for the same resources. When such an encounter occurs, those cultures must either learn to cohabit, merge, or decide a dominant victor through some avenue of war. Any of those outcomes will be natural—it’s only a matter of which path will lead to the brightest future. I do not believe in the violence of war or the injustice of inequality as acceptable means of deciding such a dispute, so I cannot support the white nationalist cause.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-5763597686154869632010-02-18T12:34:08.301-06:002010-02-18T12:34:08.301-06:00“What is ‘genocide’?”
http://www.preventgenocide....“What is ‘genocide’?”<br /><br />http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext.htm<br /><br />If you can find any mention of miscegenation here, I’d certainly be interested.<br /><br />“It is not simply the mass killing of a people with a common ancestry.”<br /><br />True.<br /><br />“It means, rather, destruction of the genes that make up a specific racial group.”<br /><br />I would stress that genocide is the DELIBERATE destruction of that racial group. Since genocide is not a deliberate act of destruction, it is not really genocide, nor should it be a crime. Love should not be a crime.<br /><br />“Liberals have a misunderstanding or one-sided -- warped, actually -- view of love.”<br /><br />One-sided? I don’t think so. Warped maybe—as in all-encompassing. That’s closer, but probably not entirely accurate either. To say that all liberals think the same on all issues is just more misinformed generalizing. It would be like me saying that all conservatives or all white nationalists are heartless—there’s no basis for such a statement. While I’ve encountered individuals that certainly seem to fit this description (Thomas Robb, based on his views of charity as “foolish sentimentalism”), but it would be ignorant for me to lump a bunch of other people in with him without any reasoning for it.<br />I can only speak for myself, but I try to love things before I hate them—if that’s warped or one-sided, fine. If you find compassion disagreeable, then I’m happy to disappoint you.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-13984817024743410572010-02-18T12:33:09.181-06:002010-02-18T12:33:09.181-06:00“You seem to believe that all the Earth belongs to...“You seem to believe that all the Earth belongs to ‘all humanity.’"<br /><br />I do, and moreover, to all life in general. We as humans do not own the Earth any more than white people own America.<br /><br />“I simply believe that this, like the communism from which it sprang, is egalitarian nonsense.”<br /><br />I’ll admit that my views are probably more communist or socialist in nature—I am not very fond of capitalism. I do not find egalitarianism to be nonsense.<br /><br />“Your conversations have been most interesting.”<br /><br />Thank you very much—I’ve enjoyed them as well. Through sharing and debating our views, we create grand opportunities for ourselves to strengthen them. <br /><br />“I have come to believe you are actually an ideologue -- a well-meaning fellow attached to a system of a prior beliefs that limit his outlook to pre-ordained conclusions, to the exclusion of all empirical evidence.”<br /><br />Maybe I am, but I have similar feelings regarding the stances you support. I don’t believe kicking minorities out of our country would solve all of our problems. It may work as a quick fix, but would it solve the issue of poverty? No. A new bottom-rung would form—whites only, I’m afraid. Would it create a more balanced, fair, fluid society? No. <br /><br />In many faiths, a place exists where people go in death—afterworlds like the Christian Heaven. As I understand it, those that believe in these post-life destinations live their entire lives according to moral guidelines in attempts to gain entry to these utopias in death. If we can agree that the goal in life is to reach these places in death, then shouldn’t we try to build our societies in their image? If Heaven is the goal, then shouldn’t the way we live our lives reflect that?<br />If there is a Heaven, I don’t think it would be for whites only. I don’t think it would be structured around capitalism. I would assume that all souls that reach the pearly gates are welcomed equally—regardless of social status, material worth, or genetics—into an equal society. I feel that Heaven would be more egalitarian than elitist. Again, that’s my subjective opinion, but I just think it’s more logical. Is a life really just and righteous if it is lived contrary to the image of the divine?<br /><br />“Perhaps spending a summer alone in the Mountains will allow you to experience your full identity: a human being, to be sure, but one who is also a member of the White Race.”<br /><br />Maybe. I certainly think it would be an enlightening experience. I question how removing myself from society completely would help me connect with my whiteness, though—or lessen my sympathy for those who are discriminated against. I don’t see how it would alter my perception of white versus black.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-61776988562500825562010-02-18T12:32:27.067-06:002010-02-18T12:32:27.067-06:00“I don't believe that Beethoven was calling fo...“I don't believe that Beethoven was calling for the destruction of European nations and their identities. Rather he (like William Shakespeare in the latter's plea for friendship between England and France), was calling for a total end to hostilities and war-making between European nations--all in the spirit of mutual respect and brotherhood.”<br /><br />Yeah, that was probably his goal, just as my goal would be to end hostilities between black and white—all in the spirit of mutual respect and brotherhood.<br /><br />“I believe Beethoven thought, exactly as I do, separate but equal. That is what I want for Blacks -- for them to be separate from Whites geographically but have equal rights of safety and freedom from persecution under international law.”<br /><br />And separate but equal may work for the French living in France and the Germans living in Germany, etc., but that is simply not the reality that we face here in America. We have black people and white people all living in the same country. We could have stayed separate—and maybe that would’ve been better—but the truth is, white people violated that separation when they started shipping black people over here as slaves. Did they want to come? No, of course not—but it is a reality their offspring must deal with today. For African Americans today, this IS their homeland. Whether we like it or not, we’re going to have to share it.<br />But let’s say we decided that the geographical separation you’re calling for was necessary—where and how do you propose we move them? Who will be willing to give up their homes for such an endeavor? Who would PAY for it? Would you be willing to sacrifice your tax dollars? Think about how much that would cost WHITE America just to establish a separate-but-equal BLACK America—am I REALLY the ignorant one here?<br /><br />“I think these lyrics to John Lennon's song sum up your views completley.”<br /><br />You’re right—great song, by the way. I have absolutely no problem likening my views to those found in the lyrics.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-56258049506181325232010-02-18T12:31:57.902-06:002010-02-18T12:31:57.902-06:00“…America is a nation without a personality of its...“…America is a nation without a personality of its own.”<br /><br />I don’t know about this one. I guess I agree in that there is no dominant personality. I think we have a lot of different personalities fighting for dominance. America has multiple personalities—they all have their own merits.<br /><br />“My own home town, which was without Blacks at all when I was a kid, is now like a foreign land to me.”<br /><br />That is how my home town was when my father was growing up here. I suppose he also feels slightly alienated. I would perhaps feel like this if the demographics I am accustomed to were altered, though I trust in my ability to adapt to these changes in my environment.<br /><br />“I no longer feel at home here in the least.”<br /><br />That’s unfortunate. You cannot relate your new neighbors, I take it? Try getting to know them better—find something that brings you together.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-43943446869112541332010-02-18T12:31:33.987-06:002010-02-18T12:31:33.987-06:00“A fundamental flaw of liberalism: all value judgm...“A fundamental flaw of liberalism: all value judgments are subjective in nature and cannot be taken too seriously.”<br /><br />I still am unconvinced of any flaw in this logic. From my experience, I can only perceive this as reality. I mean, take your own case for example—you make nearly as many comments heralding your cat as I do the equal treatment of minorities. Surely you don’t think that your cat was more genetically developed than black people, do you? And yet, you obviously found SOMETHING to love and value about that cat—as inferior as it might have been. How can this be? It seems to be that this can result only from subjective values—in your case, you appreciate cats more than black people. I SHOULD I take your calls for sympathy over the death of your cat seriously (not that I don’t—I lost one of my cats myself not too long ago) if you can’t find the room to respect the things I value (black people)? If you can justify a love and appreciation for a cat, then how can you deny that the same principle should apply to the acceptance of minorities? After all, a black person is certainly genetically closer to a white person than a cat is.<br /><br />“After all, liberals say, ‘All cultures are equal.’”<br /><br />We say that because it’s true—all cultures are equal in their right to conduct themselves according to their beliefs. If a tribe of “less developed” (WOO-HOO!) people spends their entire existence living in a remote jungle—far and forever beyond the influence of western civilization—and they live happily enough and continue to propagate and carry on, isn’t that just? If we as westerners never discovered them, and never had the chance to pass judgment on them or their development, would their lives and lifestyles still be inferior? From their perspective, they are doing things as they have always done them, and as they should be done—what’s wrong with that? Are they not equal in their right to continue in their ways just as much as you would like to continue living your life as you’ve been doing?<br /><br />“You know, Black Africa even today has a culture and civilization as high as Europe at the height of her glory.”<br /><br />Is this sarcasm? I’m assuming so.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-63290517600579988722010-02-18T12:31:01.837-06:002010-02-18T12:31:01.837-06:00“Liberalism is ignorance. Liberals believe in ‘equ...“Liberalism is ignorance. Liberals believe in ‘equality,’ even to the point of absurdity.”<br /><br />Enlighten me then. What is so absurd about my views? Why is equality not worth pursuing? If you can convince me that our efforts as a society thus far in establishing and ensuring a fair system are good enough, then fine, I’ll give up. Until then, however, I’m not going to acknowledge my values as an absurdity. <br />By the way, I like your use of “scare quote marks” here. Am I correct in assuming that those are to cast doubt on the appropriateness and correctness of equality? If the use of scare quotes is a fault of liberals, then perhaps we share something with conservatives…<br /><br />“It is an essential part of liberalism--I think it is its core belief: the belief that all value judgments of this kind are ‘subjective opinions.’"<br /><br />Yes, I do believe that all value judgments are “subjective opinions” (just quoting you here). How can they be viewed otherwise?<br /><br />“That belief is a falsehood and a superstition.”<br /><br />Is it? I mean, you feel, as a conservative, that the conservative views are better, while I, being more liberal, favor liberal views. You favor classical music while an African American might favor rap. Are these attitudes not biased? You could argue “pride” in defense of your beliefs, and I could argue “equality” in defense of mine, but because of our subjective values, we’re likely never to agree with each other. You could promote the superiority of classical European music through its technicality, but a fan of rap is likely to counter that with the creative word-working aspects or catchy beats of their preferred genre. Without a bias toward one argument or the other, can either side be deemed better or more correct than the other? You obviously favor the complexity of classical music, but why should your opinion be taken over that of someone favoring the simplistic? What makes your opinions and interests universally better than any other? It is only your subjective opinion that your views and values are better than mine.<br /><br />“Liberalism is not founded in logic but in superstition.”<br /><br />Conservatism is not founded in logic but in superstition.<br />White nationalism is not founded in logic but in superstition.<br />There, I can make the same statements about your views—it doesn’t really prove anything does it? No, they’re just subjective opinions.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-30440229006358057252010-02-18T12:28:32.885-06:002010-02-18T12:28:32.885-06:00“Everyone educated in music (and I studied it prof...“Everyone educated in music (and I studied it professionally since age 7) will instantly agree with me that Bach's ‘Art of Fugue’ is more developed than ‘Yankee Doodle.’ To suggest otherwise is way beyond absurd.”<br /><br />Yes, much more technically developed—but would you argue that people should not appreciate “Yankee Doodle” for what it is? This is the point I am trying to make about my appreciation of other races. Sure, “Yankee Doodle” is a simple tune, but am I too good to listen to it? I just think it is absurd to accuse anything of less technical merit to be completely invalid. “Roses are red, violets are blue” is no Shakespeare, but it has its place, doesn’t it?<br /><br />“That some music is more developed than other music is NOT an opinion.”<br /><br />No, but the idea that more developed music is universally superior IS. My use of quotes was not to suggest that technical development in music is an opinion—“Hot Cross Buns” or Mary Had a Little Lamb” in fourth grade was obviously a lot different than anything I was playing my senior year—I simply wished to keep the idea of “development” in perspective. Development is not the sole influence in personal taste. Value is relative.<br /><br />“Your suggestion, by use of quotation marks, that my idea is merely a subjective opinion can only show your ignorance--that is, lack of formal education--in the subject of music.”<br /><br />I disagree with this. While I’m likely not as educated as you are in the field, I do have an understanding of written music. My use of quotes was not to deny the technical prowess of classically composed European music, but merely an attempt to highlight my belief that there are different ways of perceiving development, and that “less developed” is still enjoyable. If you were to argue with me that analyzing a piece’s technical development is the only way to appraise its value, then yes, that would be a subjective opinion.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-16892410183990482302010-02-18T12:27:27.421-06:002010-02-18T12:27:27.421-06:00"This quote illustrates perfectly what is wro..."This quote illustrates perfectly what is wrong with the liberal. You use scare-quote marks around my words "less developed" to cast doubt on their appropriateness and correctness.”<br /><br />Okay, I understand that. Because of my liberal views, I have a hard time accepting that anything can have a set value—we decide our own values to things, like in the saying “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure”. I did not intend to cast doubt on your values specifically, I am only trying to cite your ideas within the context of my own.<br />I understand your concept of “less developed” (there they are again!) music. I just feel that development is relative. Other forms of music, while perhaps not as technical in their development as classical European forms, are still created with a particular purpose—to share either emotional or ideological values with the listener. In that sense, I feel that any established form of music is going to be equal in development in that they all meet the standards they were designed to—regardless of their perceived sophistication.<br />I was not trying to offend you by discrediting your ideas with quotes—I only wanted to cite your ideas as I established my own.<br /><br />“You are not educated in music.”<br /><br />I’ve been playing the violin for about thirteen years, and played in the school orchestra from fourth grade up through graduation. While I’m certainly not a scholar, nor anywhere near your level of expertise, I’m not a complete novice either.<br /><br />“There is not a single scholar in the field of music who would agree with your use of these quote marks.”<br /><br />Not, not in their use as you understand them, however I feel there is a misunderstanding between us—you perceive my use of the quotes differently than how I intended them. Perhaps music scholars would cut me a little slack if they understood the context in which I used them—and my motivation.<br /><br />“Absolutely no music scholar would use ‘quote marks’ in the manner you just did.”<br /><br />No, not in the manner that you’re accusing me of, however I believe there has been some sort of misunderstanding between us, as your interpretation of my use of quotes and my intentions in using them obviously differ.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-85294828182230196882010-02-18T12:25:15.119-06:002010-02-18T12:25:15.119-06:00“This past summer, as I was doing yard work, I put...“This past summer, as I was doing yard work, I put on a CD of Maunier singing. A song-bird heard the music, got all excited, flew out from among the trees right up to the antenna on the nearest roof-top and began singing heartily (and beautifully) along with the gifted French lad.”<br /><br />Cool story! Observing animals interact with human music is always entertaining—it makes you wonder sometimes just how different from us they really are. Have you heard of Snowball the Cockatoo? There are some videos of him on the internet dancing to pop music. I heard that they’ve actually studied his brain-patterns in order to better understand his behavior, and that they believe he is the first animal to display an understanding of tempo. Those could just be internet rumors, of course, but it’s interesting to think about.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-54134475976466039542010-02-18T12:24:32.742-06:002010-02-18T12:24:32.742-06:00Okay, I’ve been away from my computer for a while,...Okay, I’ve been away from my computer for a while, so this response is way late, but oh well.<br /><br />“Hinduism, it would seem, makes race-mixing the #1 SIN. Indeed, it would be seen as the root of all evil.”<br /><br />Yes, I understand that this has been the traditional view of interracial-relations, and is probably echoed in many other religious texts. However, with interracial relationships gaining support in mainstream America, it would seem that many Americans have decided that these views are outdated.<br /><br />“What I think you don't get, Norwegian, is that there exist such a thing as very real racial instincts.”<br /><br />No, I totally understand this. I simply believe that adhering to instincts like these is detrimental to the pursuit of a fitter functioning society. I believe that societies are built upon rules that direct us to ignore our instincts in order to better live and function amongst each other. I disagree with forced racial-separation in the same way that I disagree with murdering someone or going to war over territorial disputes. These actions may be natural to us, but I do not think they are conductive to a progressive society.<br /><br />“If people naturally observed no race differences that elicited, or could possibly elicit, emotional responses, they could not possibly be persuaded that race is a meaningful existential category.”<br /><br />I agree, however I feel that the natural fear of those who appear different from us can be overcome—that we can look past these surface differences and embrace the very human core we all share.<br />Even in nature, completely different species have developed a sort of primal comradery in the form of symbiotic relationships. While these creatures may have once instinctually feared one another, over time, common interests have caused their lifestyles to converge. They have EVOLVED to cooperate for a mutual gain.<br />Look at humans and our pets: thousands of years ago, man probably wouldn’t be found running with a hungry wolf-pack—it would violate his sense of self-preservation. Yet today we have domesticated dogs, cats, pigs, rodents, birds—we have formed bonds of cohabitation with creatures far more removed from us than black are from whites. We are not instinctually opposed to our pets living among us, and they are not afraid us. Both parties benefit from the relationship. We get furry, lovable companions, and they don’t have to do anything to take care of themselves. Sorry to hear about your cat, by the way—I know what losing a loved one is like.<br />I know this will sound terrible, and I do not mean it literally—I use this analogy strictly to communicate a larger idea—but if black people could be “domesticated” to live and function fluidly within a “white society” (which would be white no longer, but instead mixed), would you still reject them? It is my belief that if humans can learn to live and work with animals, then we can certainly learn to live and learn with each other.Norwegian Heathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740092273116392786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-3140072256727617742010-02-10T03:04:07.022-06:002010-02-10T03:04:07.022-06:00It's is summarily disappointing that so many p...It's is summarily disappointing that so many people fail to comprehend the equality of all people. <br /><br />If all of you claim to be true Christians, you ought to recognize that Jesus taught against discrimination and racism. Consider the parable of the Good Samaritan.<br /><br />You all should also realize that this nation was founded by a number of Deists, perhaps most significantly Benjamin Franklin. Deists are necessarily Christian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-7550779330536798942010-02-06T06:40:41.724-06:002010-02-06T06:40:41.724-06:00I really am looking forward to the Last Judgment m...I really am looking forward to the Last Judgment mentioned in the Bible.<br /><br />Not because I am righteous -- I'm just a sinner saved by grace -- but because I am hoping that Our Lord and Savior will set the record straight on the subject of race and how the multicultural society is Rebellion against His commandments.<br /><br /><br />And don't get me wrong. I do not delight in anyone's suffering. I would not wish my worst enemy to suffer even one instant in Hell. I only want God to vindicate my position on the race subject and remove the veil of deception from all those who have hated me without cause and argued with me on this matter.Nordic2005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-47988475004004001502010-02-06T06:32:59.726-06:002010-02-06T06:32:59.726-06:00Liberals have a misunderstanding or one-sided -- w...Liberals have a misunderstanding or one-sided -- warped, actually -- view of love.<br /><br />I loved my cat friend.<br />Did I also love the cancer that took her (otherwise she was perfectly healthy) from me?<br /><br />No! I hated the cancer! I hated to lose that cat! I hate disease.<br /><br />Well, if I likewise love my race and culture, how can I possibly love the multicultural society that is taking it away from me? Multiculturalism is an unnatural condition and thus is a social disease. My race is dying -- and liberals and "progressives" tell me I should be celebrating this fact. They are insane.Nordic2005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6686067344745953769.post-62005899569921096062010-02-05T22:26:00.996-06:002010-02-05T22:26:00.996-06:00"Nou mag iedereen beweren" = "Now a..."Nou mag iedereen beweren" = "Now anyone can/ everyone may claim" . . . (the latter translation seems more fitting here)<br /><br />"het was een doodgewone kat" . . .<br /> <br />which means<br /><br />"it was a very orinary cat."Nordic2005noreply@blogger.com