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I do not wish to quote the entire passage here, but it seems to me that the last nine words in verse in Romans 1:26 ("For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THE DUE PENALTY FOR THEIR ERROR.")
could well mean that the inflamed homosexual lust itself -- i.e., the "lifestyle" -- is itself the penalty for error and sin, and the error is the atheism or lack or worshipful regard for God that the chapter speaks of in earlier verses.
In other words, it seems (to me, at any rate) that the text is saying that the spread of homosexuality is a result or consequence of the society turning its back on God.
Please note this is not all Lutherans. I am glad I joined the LCMS. This group of ELCA Lutherans are a disgrace. How can you say you follow the Word and endorse homosexuality as ok? I enclosed the LCMS presidents statement on this issue:
"They're in desperate need of converts, that's why."
You can convert with the Word. The Word is truth. If people do not believe then you cannot force them into Christ or change the Word so that they come to follow Jesus. If they change the Word then what are they actually following? Lies! Christ brought the message of truth not lies. I think many true Christians will leave this church with this decision.
Already many New Age so called Christian churches do not display the cross. They either use a dove or other symbol. What is next? "Well baptism you get all wet lets get rid of that. Communion you eat that unleavened bread really not too tasty plus it sounds kind of cannibalistic to non-Christians to eat and drink the body and blood of Christ lets get rid of that." When do they feel it ceases to be Christianity to these people? My Pastor of my conservative Lutheran church, that preaches the true Word of God, made a good point: If you change what God says just to please the people then you are like the Jews of Christs time. They made "Man" laws and mix them with "God" laws. How can you say you follow God but do not obey the Word of God?
Wow that tornado video was cool. Kind of scary too. God does still work in this world believe it or not! Imagine what the Wrath of God will be like when he comes again!
Already the New Age Church of Liberalism has spoken. Read the comments from the video. "Who are you to judge?" Was the comment and "that the bible cannot contain a whole God in one book." First are we judging by preaching the Word? "If your brother sins rebuke him." Chirst said. No one said God is going to send you to Hell. That is His choice. All we are saying is that God is against what you are doing. As for the latter comment. The bible is the truth, the light and the salvation. God does not put himself into one book. He is larger than any one book. More glorious and powerful than anything of this world. The bible is not about explaining God but about God and how he works in this world and His love and compassion for those who believe in Him.
How can you call yourself a True Lutheran? Have you studied Martin Luther at all? Luther would have never endorsed homosexuality! Nor want his name on a religion that did.
I do not wish to quote the entire passage here, but it seems to me that the last nine words in verse in Romans 1:26 ("For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions.
ReplyDeleteFor their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with
passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THE DUE PENALTY FOR THEIR ERROR.")
could well mean that the inflamed homosexual lust itself -- i.e., the "lifestyle" -- is itself the penalty for error and sin, and the error is the atheism or lack or worshipful regard for God that the chapter speaks of in earlier verses.
In other words, it seems (to me, at any rate) that the text is saying that the spread of homosexuality is a result or consequence of the society turning its back on God.
They're in desperate need of converts, that's why.
ReplyDeletePlease note this is not all Lutherans. I am glad I joined the LCMS. This group of ELCA Lutherans are a disgrace. How can you say you follow the Word and endorse homosexuality as ok? I enclosed the LCMS presidents statement on this issue:
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Dr. Kieschnick is absolutely right! Bully for him!
ReplyDelete"They're in desperate need of converts, that's why."
ReplyDeleteYou can convert with the Word. The Word is truth. If people do not believe then you cannot force them into Christ or change the Word so that they come to follow Jesus. If they change the Word then what are they actually following? Lies! Christ brought the message of truth not lies. I think many true Christians will leave this church with this decision.
Already many New Age so called Christian churches do not display the cross. They either use a dove or other symbol. What is next? "Well baptism you get all wet lets get rid of that. Communion you eat that unleavened bread really not too tasty plus it sounds kind of cannibalistic to non-Christians to eat and drink the body and blood of Christ lets get rid of that." When do they feel it ceases to be Christianity to these people? My Pastor of my conservative Lutheran church, that preaches the true Word of God, made a good point: If you change what God says just to please the people then you are like the Jews of Christs time. They made "Man" laws and mix them with "God" laws. How can you say you follow God but do not obey the Word of God?
ReplyDeleteWow that tornado video was cool. Kind of scary too. God does still work in this world believe it or not! Imagine what the Wrath of God will be like when he comes again!
ReplyDeleteAlready the New Age Church of Liberalism has spoken. Read the comments from the video. "Who are you to judge?" Was the comment and "that the bible cannot contain a whole God in one book." First are we judging by preaching the Word? "If your brother sins rebuke him." Chirst said. No one said God is going to send you to Hell. That is His choice. All we are saying is that God is against what you are doing. As for the latter comment. The bible is the truth, the light and the salvation. God does not put himself into one book. He is larger than any one book. More glorious and powerful than anything of this world. The bible is not about explaining God but about God and how he works in this world and His love and compassion for those who believe in Him.
ReplyDeleteGood video, from a Missouri Synod Lutheran.
ReplyDeleteKind of interesting to see other Lutherans here. I am not a member of the Klan, but find racial issues fascinating.
I condemn violence and hatred, but do not condemn the desire to preserve ones race and culture.
Yeah and look where the conservative LCMS so called christians post on a KKK blog. That says alot about their character.
ReplyDeleteHow can you call yourself a True Lutheran? Have you studied Martin Luther at all? Luther would have never endorsed homosexuality! Nor want his name on a religion that did.
ReplyDeleteYeah, posting on a blog and saying that I condemn hatred and violence is worse than accepting homosexuality. Sure.
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