There is a growing divide occurring in the country. White people are moving more toward the idealism of small government (individualism) which has always been a characteristic of our people while non-Whites give growing support for socialism (big government).
We keep hearing that this issue isn't about race, but race is becoming obvious.
White conservatives who continually boast that this division is not about race but only about policy simply do not, as of yet, appreciate, the racial divide. However, non-whites who support the Socialist agenda of Obama are equally confused and cannot understand the substantial reason for our disagreement over Obama's (big government) policies and assume it is based on a mistrust or even a hatred for black people.
The attempt to push Obama's policy change can be seen in this shocking video of how school children are being manipulated by Obama mania. Click here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo
What did your child learn in school today? Perhaps they have not been targeted with such blatant spiritual rape as witnessed in this video, but what subtle methods are being used each and every day against your child.
Every white parent needs to consider home school. check here for helpful information: http://www.whitepridehomeschool.com/.
Sir, let me say that you are very ignorant. The kids are simply singing a song. Its funny how when a black man is elected you see the true colors of people like you. Why so much hate, you say you don't hate, but you belive jews are evil and crazy shit like satan, blacks, hispanics, etc(anyone not white) are in alliance. America maybe brainwashing to some point, but its not like they've just started to do this.
ReplyDeleteAnd also why does there have to be one supreme race? Aren't all men created equal? Didn't God create man (regardless of color) to love on another? Even if Jesus was white didn't a black man help him carry the cross? Moses married a black woman for all of you who think he is white. Jesus was Jewish and yet you dislike Jews.
Come on people learn to Love(this is what God is). Because toleration isn't enough.
PS- Do you think God would hate something he created?
Hey Anon. I am sure you would be up in arms if your kid would have been taught to praise George Bush. How would feel if your kid was taught to praise Jesus in school? "OH my they are shoving religion down their throats!" You are a hypocrite!
ReplyDeletePS- Do you think God would hate something he created?
ReplyDeleteGood point but you are twisting the bible and making up things that are unknown or false. How do you know the color of the man who helped Jesus with the cross?
This kind of thing -- idolatry -- only happens in dictatorships. Therefore, if this spreads to other schools, the US is a confirmed dictatorship.
ReplyDeleteThe 'we're all equal in "HIS (Obama's) sight" is clearly derived from the Christian children's ditty 'Jesus loves the Little Children.' Thus Obama is being elevated to Christ's status. A clear example of a Satanic mock- attack on Christ.
I agree with Pastor Robb: this multicultural society is the ultimate Rebellion against God's rule and authority.
To Anonymous,Im from the South,Would you have a problem with school children singing songs of praise for great men such as Nathan Bedford Forrest,Robert E.Lee or Stonewall Jackson?I sure wouldnt.
ReplyDeleteFor one thing, let no political man be considered great until after he is dead.
ReplyDeleteFor another, let no man be worshiped as a god.
Children should not be singing songs in praise of mortals in the fashion shown here.
Respect for those who have achieved great things in one matter; worshipful regard of men of ideas is quite another.
Every human mind is fallible and very limited in knowledge, and all (except Jesus Christ) have sinned.
So songs of praise to mortals are idolatry, and God will bring to naught every nation that commits this dreadful sin.
School-children sang songs to Stalin. They may even have sung songs to Hitler?
ReplyDeleteGod did not grant ultimate victory to these men and their systems -- probably because they failed to put God first.
God did not want Israel to have a King, lest he replace the Lord in the minds of the people.
It is shocking that in the 21st century such worship of political leaders is even possible. Man ought to have outgrown this long before now. I can see that people do not learn from history.
As Elvis Presley told his audiences, "Only Jesus Christ is the King."
As Elvis Presley told his audiences, "Only Jesus Christ is the King."
ReplyDeleteRemember what Christ said. "Many will die for my name". I thought we may never see that here but if we allow this movement to prosper we definately might folks! God blessed this nation with great wealth because we were a Christian nation. But now Christianity may be forced to be an underground religion like in the former Soviet Union if we keep letting these things happen. Obama is not a Christian. Look at his pastor Jeremiah Wright. A false teacher. Many are being led astray by false teachings.
Sir, let me say that you are very ignorant. The kids are simply singing a song.
ReplyDeleteThis is how we got to where we are in this world. This type of thinking. Satanic rock, hip hop, ect. Well it is just music right? Well hell it is just a song right? Wrong! Music influences people. That is obvious with the 60's liberal generation, the 80's heavy metal, and rap. What does this type of music do? Promote Satan, crime, liberalism, ect. All these things are not Christ like.
I wouldn't be angry if my childern sang a song about Bush. In fact they had to make a poem saying that he should keep up the good work.(before all bad stuff)
ReplyDeleteThere are plenty of other prosperus countries in this world that aren't Christian(like China or Japan). I would say America is perfectly Christain either. I dont think this nation is blessed because its Christain because really its not...(wiping out indians is christian? War is christain?) Also it is just a song there kids they won't understand, by the time there 16 they'll know wether or not they like Obama. And the president doesn't hold all of the power in the government folks. He only in office for 4 years. 8 if he's re-elected. Also if your a Lutheran do you feel the Pope is a false prophet?
ReplyDeleteBut what I don't like is Obama being for abortion and not being for war... They are both wrong
China, does not prosper from its internal economy, but only because it deals with the West. Even at that the nation is still in much poverty. For hundreds of years the Western nations created internal prosperity and then boosted that internal prosperity with trade from its sister nations. Non-white nations remained in poverty and could create no internal wealth until they began to bring trading partners into their economy from Western nations.
ReplyDeleteToday big business, encouraged by free trade policies created by the federal government has created great wealth in these nations at the expense of the American worker.
The betrayal of our nation by our national leaders has brought the nation to this chaos.
The curse is now as real as the blessing once were.
Where did China and Japan get their democracies from? The USA! They only followed what we did! As for the other comment. We did not wipe out the indians as you say since there still are Native Americans around. Most of their land was PURCHASED from them. Get your facts straight. Yes the Pope is a false teacher! I was a Catholic and converted. Catholicism teaches that you can pray to saints and the Virgin Mary and seek their intercession. Jesus is the only intercessor. He died for our sins. Not Mary or any saint. There is one God and to Him alone shall you pray says the bible. Catholicism also teaches that you must atone for your sins by saying 10 hail Marys or do something to atone for your sins. My sins were forgiven when Christ died on the cross. Nothing man can do will bring about his salvation except a belief in Jesus. Catholics are being misled by these and other teachings that are not biblically sound. They are like the Jews of Christ's time who made up their own laws and were not of the Word of God. On the war thing. How many wars did it speak of in the bible?
ReplyDeleteAncient Chinese Proverb, translated by the German Richard Wilhelm:
ReplyDeleteFrom a book read and loved by Thomas Jefferson. The ancient Chinese Classic "The Way and its Virtue." (300 - 600 B.C.)
"If one placates great anger
and yet there remains anger:
how could this be good?
Therefore the Man of Calling adheres to his duty
and demands nothing of others.
Therefore: whosever has Life (i.e.,Virtue)
adheres to his duty;
whosoever does not have Life (i.e., Virtue)
adheres to his "right."
Robert Blackney substitutes for the last line:
"Impartial though the Way of God may be,
It always favors good men."
[The Chinese word "teh," here translated "Life" by Wilhelm, basted on the Bible, has its basic Chinese meaning of "Power" or "Virtue."
This proverb comes very close to saying that "Virtue is its own reward," which Thomas Robb was too timid and cowardly to post before!
Anything that does not flatter Robb's ego gets routinely ignored because of his personal vanity and prejudice.
" I would say America is perfectly Christain either. I dont think this nation is blessed because its Christain because really its not...(wiping out indians is christian? War is christain?)"
ReplyDeleteSo what? We professed our belief in Jesus Christ and this nation was founded on the beliefs of Christ. That is why we are blessed.
This guy can't even spell CHRISTIAN right more than twice in a row.
ReplyDeleteHey Lutheran ask your pastor what he thinks about you posting on Thom Robb's blog. The National Director of the KKK. See what he says about that. No Lutheran denomination endorses this guy or the Klan.
ReplyDeleteHey! Missouri Synod, why condemn Lutheran when you're posting here also?
ReplyDeleteWell Missouri Synod, in defense of Lutheran, you just did the same thing. So ask YOUR pastor how he feels about it.
ReplyDelete"Anything that does not flatter Robb's ego gets routinely ignored because of his personal vanity and prejudice."
ReplyDeleteReally then why did he post your comment?
To Anonymous whose resent post included this following statement:
ReplyDelete"This proverb comes very close to saying that "Virtue is its own reward," which Thomas Robb was too timid and cowardly to post before!
Anything that does not flatter Robb's ego gets routinely ignored because of his personal vanity and prejudice."
I have no idea what you are talking about. Everyone who visits this blog knows that I routinely post comments that are critical of me.
Perhaps your comment included vulgarity and thus the reason for it not being posted.
And as far as the statement claiming I am timid and cowardly, consider that I freely publish my name to this blog - where is your name?
Quick remark:
ReplyDeleteHow did Thomas Jefferson know and love this book of Ancient Chinese Proverbs?
Roman Catholic missionaries to China translated it into Latin and Jefferson, fluent in Latin, got his hands on a copy.
The German Translator, Wilhelm, who studied in Chine under Chinese scholars, explained that he chose the word "Life" to translate "Virtue" based on the opening of John's Gospel, "In him was Life, and that Life was the light of men."
"And as far as the statement claiming I am timid and cowardly, consider that I freely publish my name to this blog - where is your name?"
ReplyDeleteMy deepest apology.
I thought you did not publish a comment simply because it was from a Chinese source.
So, yes, you do have the courage and honesty to post other opinions.
Once again, Sorry!
The point that is striking is that the Ancient Chinese were not (contrary to popular opinion), like other heathens, polytheistic. The believed in ONE GOD.
ReplyDelete"Ancient Chinese theism taught that there was a god in Heaven on whom the world depended absolutely, and who rewarded good men and punished the evil. This god has human consciousness. He allowed the elect saints, like King Wen, to be his entourage. He was capable of getting angry and meting out punishment if men wee evil; but ultimately he would forgive them and have mercy on them, if their priest and representative, the son of Heaven, purified himself in the right way and approached him with sacrificial offerings."
-- German Chinese Scholar, Richard Wilhelm (the greatest Western scholar who ever studied Chinese philosophy and religion).
My point: the Chinese and Japanese were superior thinkers to the Negroes, though Western Culture towers above all others.
Here's some basic iformation on Richard Wilhelm:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.schoolofwisdom.com/wilhelm.html
Some of his translations of ancient Chinese literature, though online, make no real sense apart from Wilhelm's commentarty, which is not online.
I have never met Thom Robb yet but I have watched videos on him and read about him. This man is far from an egotist.
ReplyDelete"Hey! Missouri Synod, why condemn Lutheran when you're posting here also?"
ReplyDeleteYou guys took the words right out of my mouth. What is wrong with posting here Missouri? I am not a klansman. I agree with a lot of what they say. So what? Show me once where I have ever posted anything racist or against anyone other than liberals! Seeing that, I doubt my pastor would care.
"Catholics are being misled by these and other teachings that are not biblically sound."
ReplyDeleteOpen your eyes man! Look and listen to this. Listen to your buddy here. Thomas Robb is a false teacher too! He teaches race is the structure of mankind. He teaches that whites are better than everyone else. That Jews are evil and are the Anti-Christ. Mexicans are invaders and a burden to this nation. HE IS A HATEMONGER! How is this biblically sound?
"Yes the Pope is a false teacher! I was a Catholic and converted."
ReplyDeleteThe Pope does the work of the Church. How is he a false teacher? You are a typical Klansman. Catholic basher, racist, ect. Tell me sir who started your church? Martin Luther. Who started the Baptist and other protestant churches? John Calvin. Who started the Catholic Church? Jesus!
"So songs of praise to mortals are idolatry, and God will bring to naught every nation that commits this dreadful sin."
ReplyDeleteBut you would not being saying this if Obama were white and conservative. Nor would you being saying this if the song was about David Duke or Thom Robb.
First of all the Roman Catholic Church was not the first Christian church. It was the first organized religion yes but not the first Christian church. If you read the bible it speaks of churches in Philadelphia and other places. Paul wrote to churches in various places that seemed to do things differently and not have one set of ways to do things. As for the Catholic basher comment. If you feel that I am bashing my former church fine. If have seen Catholic churches were they have a crucifix on the alter but I have seen where they have Mary on the alter also. Who are you worshiping Mary or Christ. I have seen where they have statues of Jesus, Mary, and saints and you kneel before them and pray. Moses's peole did the same thing making a statue and worshipping it and look what happened to them. So what is wrong if I feel they are doing things wrong and I object? As for the racist comment and being a klansman. I am not a Klansman.
ReplyDelete"So songs of praise to mortals are idolatry, and God will bring to naught every nation that commits this dreadful sin."
ReplyDeleteBut you would not being saying this if Obama were white and conservative. Nor would you being saying this if the song was about David Duke or Thom Robb.
You are quite mistaken!
I wrote the original post you quoted, and I can assure you that there is no mortal that I'd approve children singing hymns of praise and adoration to. Period. I definitely would be saying the exact same thing if the song were about any white man, whether David Duke, or Napoleon, or any other mortal who now lives or ever lived.
"Open your eyes man! Look and listen to this. Listen to your buddy here. Thomas Robb is a false teacher too! He teaches race is the structure of mankind. He teaches that whites are better than everyone else. That Jews are evil and are the Anti-Christ. Mexicans are invaders and a burden to this nation. HE IS A HATEMONGER! How is this biblically sound?"
ReplyDeleteMissouri Synod look at the white nations of this world they are blessed. They are the lands of milk and honey. While the darker countries are struggling to survive. Whites were blessed. As for the Jews comment. The bible says that anyone who does not believe in Christ is an Anti-Christ. As for the Mexican comment. Are we not being invaded when thousands of people are crossing our border illegally each day. You need to open your eyes MAN!
Yes Luther and Calvin did start our churches. Yet do we worship them? NO! We worship Jesus Christ. We believe the bible is the sole authority on religion not the pope!
ReplyDeleteI believe the Cross of Christ is for everyone. But certain people were given certain tasks in the bible. So why is that not true of today. Whites were blessed. Who is it that gives tons of aid to these third world countries? White nations.
ReplyDeleteHere is a good question Catholic. Where does the bible say that Peter was ever in Rome?
ReplyDeleteJust as I thought Thomas Robb hates Catholics!
ReplyDeleteI hate Catholics? Where did that come from. The Klan has many Catholic members. I have never posted anything, one way or another, about Catholics. Where did you come up with that?
ReplyDeleteNone of said we hate Catholics. We just disagree with the churches teachings.
ReplyDeleteCatholic,
ReplyDeleteI have had Catholic friends all my life (and have even known a monk or two) and I love their art and music and their holding fast to Western Culture. In fact, Catholic monks invented music notation.
Sadly, there are a few persons hostile to Catholics remaining in nearly every Protestant church, and vice versa. However, 99.99% of American Christians have overcome this and that includes the this Klan group. Please don't let one firebrand give you the impression that the Klan is anti-Catholic. This really has nothing to do with White Christian Revival, which is for ALL Christian believers, Catholic and Protestant alike. I can assure you that you will not be mistreated by any normal member of Thomas Robb's Klan group, nor will you be discriminated against. In fact, it was a devout Roman Catholic teacher who helped me understand racial issues -- though she was clueless about the Jews. She thought that Jews only suffered ONLY because they forced other men out of business in Germany -- something that did sometime occur, of course.
We need all Christians to fight this battle, and this include YOU.
I say, "Welcome, Christian brother!"
Here is Thom Robb's Ministry Statement (I hope he doesn't mind my quoting it here). If you believe this, you are a Christian.
ReplyDeleteAlso I have posted the Apostles' Creed. If you believe either of these two things, you are, in my opinion, a Christian. I happen to believe both.
And old saying is that when Chrians argue about minor points of theology, the devil goes to lunch.
You have reached the home page of Thomas Robb Ministries - (non-denominational) Thomas Robb Ministries is built upon the following biblical principles.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He was born of the Virgin Mary.
He lived a sinless life. Because we can not earn our salvation...He voluntarily died upon the Cross. He conquered death and bodily rose from the grave. Through His blood and His grace we have remission of our sins and the redemption of our soul. He is coming again in Holiness to judge and rule the world.
As Sons and Daughters of the Living God - we are commanded to reach out to our brothers and sisters.
We believe we are living in the "end times" (as in the days of Noah and Lot) and it is pertinent that we turn back to the laws of our God - Jesus Christ.
We believe that we are to cherish the wonderful life that God has bestowed upon each of us - to love our heritage like Jacob and not to despise it like Essau. Therefore we honor the diversity of God's creation (kind after kind) and practice commitment to our family and racial integrity as He commanded.
Apostles' Creed
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1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
12. And the life everlasting. Amen.
If any of your members truly adhere to Catholic teaching then they would not be members of the Klan. You can be excommunicated for being in such a group. The Catholic church is against secret societies like the Klan and Masonic groups. I am sorry but your members are not true Catholics. As for your comments Nordic, I would not join any group that is what I just said. Nor would I want to join any group that hates blacks or Mexicans. Many Mexican people and blacks too are strong in the Catholic faith.
ReplyDeleteThomas Robb said...
ReplyDeleteDear Catholic:
You are mistaken. You seem to accept what you hear on TV.
1) The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is not a secret society. We have no secret oaths, nor is anything said or done in secret.
2) We do not hate blacks or anyone else. No where on our web site. No where in any of the hundreds of speeches, interviews or articles I have spoken, given or written have I ever said I hated black people or any one else.
The source of this information (media and Hollywood) whose statements about the Klan you are prone to believe are the same ones which promote abortion, drug abuse, sexual promiscuity, divorce, sodomy and who trash Jesus Christ at every opportunity.
Thank you for having a spirit willing to learn.
So if I worked for the FBI you would not care if I joined? I don't but I am trying to make a point. I have seen other klans where you cannot be a worker of the Federal Government. People have died under the name KKK. Not just blacks either. Why would anyone want to join a group like that.
ReplyDeleteI do not know about Calvin but I do know Luther wrote the Jews and Their Lies which inspired Adolf Hitler.
ReplyDelete"And also why does there have to be one supreme race? Aren't all men created equal? Didn't God create man (regardless of color) to love on another? Even if Jesus was white didn't a black man help him carry the cross? Moses married a black woman for all of you who think he is white. Jesus was Jewish and yet you dislike Jews."
ReplyDeleteFirst of all you are saying the makeup of race in the nations of that region are the same as before. No they were not. Is America the same race of people as it was 2000 years ago. NO. This is just liberal propaganda. We do not know Moses wife was black or that Moses himself was black. Jesus was Jewish but the teachings of the Jews He was very against. If He was Jewish then why are we not Jews now? Why start a break off religion? Jesus said that those who believe in me will be saved. Jews do not believe in Christ. It was already mentioned about the man who helped Jesus carry the cross so I will not get into that.
Dear Mr. Catholic:
ReplyDeleteYou are mistaken again. Why should I care if FBI agents join the Klan?
There may be some fringe group that has something to hide, I don't know. Anybody can put a web page on the internet. They may not even have any followers.
But you really should not take what you hear from the national media and the movie industry as if they are telling the truth. Remember, they are the ones that promote so much of the cultural filth in America today.
They are the ones which trash Jesus Christ at every opportunity - and you want to put your trust in them?
You, Lutheran, Missouri Synod, I and others may have some different thoughts about the Bible and church doctrine, but I think we can all agree on one thing - Jesus Christ is the one and only true God.
Catholic:
ReplyDeleteWhy condemn Martin Luther and his book - The Jews and Their Lies.
Here are some things from your church leaders;
Pope Clement VIII: Italian Pope (1536-1605) who professed that: "All the world suffers from the usury of the Jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people and the very poor. Then, as now, Jews have to be reminded intermittently that they were enjoying rights in any country since they left Palestine and the Arabian desert, and subsequently their ethical and moral doctrines as well as their deeds rightly deserve to be exposed to criticism in whatever country they happen to live."
Pope Julius III: His "Contra Hebreos Retinentes Libros (1554) ordered the Talmud burned "everywhere" and established a strict censorship over Jewish "genocidal writings" -- an order that has never been rescinded and which presumably is still binding upon Catholics.
Pope Paul IV: His "Cum Nimis Absurdim" (1555) was a powerful condemnation of "Jewish usury." It embodies a legal code to curb "Jewish power" that was recommended to all communities.
Pope Pius V: Counter-Reformation Cardinal (1504-1572) who disclosed his views on Jews in "Hebraeorum Gens" (1569) when all Jews were expelled from the Papal States.
Pope Gregory XIII: He was the Pope from 1572-1585 who declared that the Jews "continue to plot horrible crimes against Christians with daily increasing audacity." Moreover, he condemned Jewish "genocidal writings."
Pope Benedict XIV: In "Quo Primum" (1751) he denounced Jewish "control of commerce" and "systematical despoliation" of Christians through usury.
And remember - Hitler was Catholic - not Lutheran!
"You, Lutheran, Missouri Synod, I and others may have some different thoughts about the Bible and church doctrine, but I think we can all agree on one thing - Jesus Christ is the one and only true God." -- Thomas Robb
ReplyDeleteThis is the essential point. I now believe that it only matters if we accept Jesus as the one and only true God.
I used to drive myself half crazy worrying over who was right: Calvin, Arminius, or the Catholic Church, etc.
But then I read a chapter on the Christian Religion written by Dale Carnegie, himself a devout Christian, and this set my mind at rest.
Carnegie went through the same struggles in his youth as I had.
He wrote:
"I no longer have the faintest interest in the differences in creeds that divide the churches."
AND:
"Jesus declared that there were only two important things about religion: loving God with all our heart, and our neighbor as ourselves."
For me, my neighbor is first of all my kinsman, members of my own race and people, whom I love more. Also, I hate no one on this Earth for racial reasons. I just believe that God commanded us to be faithful to the race into which He had us born.
Now you have all gone too far. You have taken the Lord Obonzo's name in vain!
ReplyDeleteyou know, if you, the kkk, and the nsm88 have to power to complain about obama and your child's school, then obama has the power to throw you in prison and all of america.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all Hitler was not a Catholic. Just because his parents were that did not make him one. Hitler believed in National Socialism as a religion. Where he is the supreme ruler. God to him was not Jesus. Many of his top people believed in this man as a relgious figure. Hitler was their master. This is true. Many neo-Nazis accept this principle too. As for the who is right comment. Protestants should believe the bible is the only source of our religious well being. Not Luther, not Calvin. Though these men may have started our following it is the bible that inspired them and should also inspire you!
ReplyDeleteAccording to this article (and it may be wrong?), "Hitler's Christianity," we read:
ReplyDelete"Hitler considered himself a Catholic until the day he died. In 1941 he told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." In fact, Hitler was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church, and Mein Kampf was not placed on the Church's Index of Forbidden Books.
As for atheism, Hitler specifically opposed it in a 1933 speech in Berlin: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." "
See here:
http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/hitler.htm
I am a 9th grader and i have not once been told to praise obama and p.s. white supremecy is WRONG
ReplyDeleteNot White supremacy - White NATIONALISM. Big difference!
ReplyDelete"I am a 9th grader and i have not once been told to praise obama and p.s. white supremecy is WRONG"
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This is the Internet, so I don't know if you're Black or White, a girl or a boy.
So all I have to say to you is this: White Survival and Racial Loyalty is RIGHT.
No matter how much you want it to be true, the races are not equal in every way. If you think Blacks rule just as good as Whites do, move to Detroit or to Africa. You'll learn pretty fast that Whites build better cities and better countries.
Whoever you are, take good care of yourself and be as healthy and happy as possible.